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	<title>Comments on: Oak Bay Wants to Get Moving!</title>
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		<title>By: Lesley Ewing</title>
		<link>http://oakbaycommunityassociation.org/blog/2009/11/09/oak-bay-wants-to-get-moving/comment-page-1/#comment-50</link>
		<dc:creator>Lesley Ewing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 02:12:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Motor Vehicle Act of BC is the legislative authority governing bicycle use on the road.   Bicyclists have the legal right to occupy the centre lane under certain circumstances, such as to avoid dangers like “&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Door_zone&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;dooring&lt;/a&gt;”.  Being doored is the single largest cause of death and injury to cyclists.

The Insurance Corporation of BC, in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bikesense.bc.ca/ch4.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Bike Sense&lt;/a&gt;, sets out the following: 


&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Parked cars&lt;/strong&gt;:  Ride no closer than one metre from parked cars to avoid being hit by an opening door. The doors of some vehicle types can swing far into your lane. If you can see that the car is occupied, be particularly careful. Where cars are parked intermittently, ride in a straight line instead of swerving in and out between the parked cars. This increases your visibility and predictability for car drivers on the road.
&lt;strong&gt;When to take a lane&lt;/strong&gt;  If there is no shoulder or bike lane and the curb lane is narrow (i.e. when the right wheel track of most traffic is less than a metre from the curb), cyclists may choose to take the whole lane by riding in the centre of it. This can be safer than riding near the curb, which may encourage motorists to squeeze by where there is not sufficient room. You should also consider taking the lane when you are traveling at the same speed as other traffic. This will keep you out of motorists&#039; blind spots and reduce conflicts with right-turning traffic. Be prepared for the occasional frustrated driver who is not familiar with the safe and legal operation of a bicycle.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Regarding Monterey Avenue, this route and landscape has changed in a very significant way.  It is doubtful that a 1950s or 1960s photo would show the same number of cars parked along Monterey as today.  In that era, families generally had one car, and some had no car.   Two cars were rare, and three unheard of.  Today, 2-3 vehicles per family are not uncommon.  This means more cars end up parked on the street.   

Just look at the vehicle activity around Monterey/Oak Bay Ave/ Library/Royal Bank area to understand the dangers for kids on bikes.

As for sidewalk (i.e. pedestrian) safety, it is motor vehicles, not bicycles that cause the vast majority of pedestrian injuries and deaths. 

Regarding the Mount joy/Runnymede, what has changed is that Margaret Jenkins and Monterey Schools have had their grade catchments modified.  Since 2007, one is a middle school while the other serves only the primary grades.  This means children in Oak Bay now travel to Margaret Jenkins School, while Fairfield children must now travel to Monterey.   Kids no longer attend schools in their close neighbourhoods, and with more parents driving to school, those who walk are at increased risk.  We have a duty to protect them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Motor Vehicle Act of BC is the legislative authority governing bicycle use on the road.   Bicyclists have the legal right to occupy the centre lane under certain circumstances, such as to avoid dangers like “<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Door_zone" rel="nofollow">dooring</a>”.  Being doored is the single largest cause of death and injury to cyclists.</p>
<p>The Insurance Corporation of BC, in <a href="http://www.bikesense.bc.ca/ch4.htm" rel="nofollow">Bike Sense</a>, sets out the following: </p>
<blockquote><p><strong>Parked cars</strong>:  Ride no closer than one metre from parked cars to avoid being hit by an opening door. The doors of some vehicle types can swing far into your lane. If you can see that the car is occupied, be particularly careful. Where cars are parked intermittently, ride in a straight line instead of swerving in and out between the parked cars. This increases your visibility and predictability for car drivers on the road.<br />
<strong>When to take a lane</strong>  If there is no shoulder or bike lane and the curb lane is narrow (i.e. when the right wheel track of most traffic is less than a metre from the curb), cyclists may choose to take the whole lane by riding in the centre of it. This can be safer than riding near the curb, which may encourage motorists to squeeze by where there is not sufficient room. You should also consider taking the lane when you are traveling at the same speed as other traffic. This will keep you out of motorists&#8217; blind spots and reduce conflicts with right-turning traffic. Be prepared for the occasional frustrated driver who is not familiar with the safe and legal operation of a bicycle.</p></blockquote>
<p>Regarding Monterey Avenue, this route and landscape has changed in a very significant way.  It is doubtful that a 1950s or 1960s photo would show the same number of cars parked along Monterey as today.  In that era, families generally had one car, and some had no car.   Two cars were rare, and three unheard of.  Today, 2-3 vehicles per family are not uncommon.  This means more cars end up parked on the street.   </p>
<p>Just look at the vehicle activity around Monterey/Oak Bay Ave/ Library/Royal Bank area to understand the dangers for kids on bikes.</p>
<p>As for sidewalk (i.e. pedestrian) safety, it is motor vehicles, not bicycles that cause the vast majority of pedestrian injuries and deaths. </p>
<p>Regarding the Mount joy/Runnymede, what has changed is that Margaret Jenkins and Monterey Schools have had their grade catchments modified.  Since 2007, one is a middle school while the other serves only the primary grades.  This means children in Oak Bay now travel to Margaret Jenkins School, while Fairfield children must now travel to Monterey.   Kids no longer attend schools in their close neighbourhoods, and with more parents driving to school, those who walk are at increased risk.  We have a duty to protect them.</p>
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		<title>By: michellekirby</title>
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		<dc:creator>michellekirby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 05:47:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>B. Grey, you were also traveling a shorter distance, because Monterey is now a middle school that feeds from all of Oak Bay...

What we all hope to see is less cars all around Oak Bay. If everyone were to embrace walking, cycling, transit, and/or smaller, electric scooters or smart cars, I&#039;d feel that kids would be a lot safer traveling across the municipality. 

I struggle with the paved sidewalk issue, because it&#039;s more permeable surface that can&#039;t absorb rainwater, and the carbon created from the production of cement doesn&#039;t help either. But, if we want people to get out walking, we should make sure it&#039;s easy, and smooth surfaces do make it easy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>B. Grey, you were also traveling a shorter distance, because Monterey is now a middle school that feeds from all of Oak Bay&#8230;</p>
<p>What we all hope to see is less cars all around Oak Bay. If everyone were to embrace walking, cycling, transit, and/or smaller, electric scooters or smart cars, I&#8217;d feel that kids would be a lot safer traveling across the municipality. </p>
<p>I struggle with the paved sidewalk issue, because it&#8217;s more permeable surface that can&#8217;t absorb rainwater, and the carbon created from the production of cement doesn&#8217;t help either. But, if we want people to get out walking, we should make sure it&#8217;s easy, and smooth surfaces do make it easy.</p>
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		<title>By: Corey Burger</title>
		<link>http://oakbaycommunityassociation.org/blog/2009/11/09/oak-bay-wants-to-get-moving/comment-page-1/#comment-48</link>
		<dc:creator>Corey Burger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 03:57:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What has changed in the power of modern cars. They are bigger, faster and more powerful than 20 years ago. A lot of this weight is safety equipment, but it doesn&#039;t help the poor pedestrian or bicyclist being hit by the faster, heavier car.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What has changed in the power of modern cars. They are bigger, faster and more powerful than 20 years ago. A lot of this weight is safety equipment, but it doesn&#8217;t help the poor pedestrian or bicyclist being hit by the faster, heavier car.</p>
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		<title>By: B. Grey</title>
		<link>http://oakbaycommunityassociation.org/blog/2009/11/09/oak-bay-wants-to-get-moving/comment-page-1/#comment-47</link>
		<dc:creator>B. Grey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 19:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s always a bad idea to fix things that aren&#039;t broken - you just break something else. I and the other kids in my neighbourhood all rode our bikes down McNeill to Monterey school in the 1950s to &#039;70s, and never had a problem. We were taught to stay on the curb, keep our eyes open, and always use hand signals so drivers would know our intentions. Keeping out of the traffic stream was considered common sense in those days; now pushing into it is considered a political statement.  Sigh ...

 That route and that landscape hasn&#039;t changed, so too bad what makes for &quot;common sense&quot; has. 

Putting in sidewalk bulges is a disaster -- narrowing the road just pushes bikes and cars dangerously close together. If you want sidewalks to be safe, make sure bikes stay off them -- it&#039;s not cars that drive on them. Re. speed, the bumps are effective. Narrowing just causes gridlock and engine idling (wasn&#039;t last year&#039;s cause the anti-idling instruction?)

We so hope the municipality does not tamper with the country road nature of Runnymede and Mount Joy. Leave the flower-filled boulevards alone; no one has died yet because there aren&#039;t sidewalks. Why change what has worked for decades? The traffic is no different there, and so long as house density doesn&#039;t increase, it never will be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s always a bad idea to fix things that aren&#8217;t broken &#8211; you just break something else. I and the other kids in my neighbourhood all rode our bikes down McNeill to Monterey school in the 1950s to &#8217;70s, and never had a problem. We were taught to stay on the curb, keep our eyes open, and always use hand signals so drivers would know our intentions. Keeping out of the traffic stream was considered common sense in those days; now pushing into it is considered a political statement.  Sigh &#8230;</p>
<p> That route and that landscape hasn&#8217;t changed, so too bad what makes for &#8220;common sense&#8221; has. </p>
<p>Putting in sidewalk bulges is a disaster &#8212; narrowing the road just pushes bikes and cars dangerously close together. If you want sidewalks to be safe, make sure bikes stay off them &#8212; it&#8217;s not cars that drive on them. Re. speed, the bumps are effective. Narrowing just causes gridlock and engine idling (wasn&#8217;t last year&#8217;s cause the anti-idling instruction?)</p>
<p>We so hope the municipality does not tamper with the country road nature of Runnymede and Mount Joy. Leave the flower-filled boulevards alone; no one has died yet because there aren&#8217;t sidewalks. Why change what has worked for decades? The traffic is no different there, and so long as house density doesn&#8217;t increase, it never will be.</p>
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		<title>By: Notes from Saturday&#8217;s Active Transportation forum &#8211; Corey Burger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Notes from Saturday&#8217;s Active Transportation forum &#8211; Corey Burger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:05:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] such as the CRD Bike/Ped Plan, as well as what other cities have been doing. Michelle Kirby has a great write up at the Community Association&#8217;s website, plus there is the Times Colonist article, so I [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] such as the CRD Bike/Ped Plan, as well as what other cities have been doing. Michelle Kirby has a great write up at the Community Association&#8217;s website, plus there is the Times Colonist article, so I [...]</p>
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